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The book is coming! September 10 is the day that The Empathy Dilemma: How Successful Leaders Balance Performance, People, and Personal Boundaries hits shelves to help leaders dedicated to people-centered practices to get the best performance possible and balance the demands of the business with the needs of their people.

I am so excited to share this with you! For the next 5 months, I’ll be devoting a Hot Take episode to one of the 5 core pillars of effective empathetic leaders, outlined in the book. See, I emphasize EFFECTIVE because it’s not just about being empathetic – you have to actually perform, deliver, and get results, too. You as a leader can and must balance empathy with accountability. And today we’re going to talk about the first pillar to accomplish that…Self-Awareness.

 

To access the episode transcript, please click on the episode title at http://www.TheEmpathyEdge.com 

Key Takeaways:

• Humility and empathy go hand in hand. You have to let your ego go and embrace your curiosity to learn and grow. 
• Some ways you can become more self-aware include: requesting input from teammates and colleagues, leveraging self-assessment tools (such as the Enneagram, DISC, or Myers Briggs), and learning to listen deeply.
• You can pre-order now through August 27, 2024, to get 30% off your copy of The Empathy Dilemma  for stories from leaders, and recommendations for tactics to try to put these strategies into practice and benefit from the results. 

 

“Self-reflection is not woo-woo; it’s a smart strategy. You need to cultivate a deep and ever-evolving understanding of your people, as well as of yourself.” —  Maria Ross

 

Episode References: 

• Check out The Empathy Dilemma pre-sale for 30% off until August 27, 2024: https://bit.ly/TEDSpecialPresale

• Find out more about the book and (soon) download a free chapter sneak peek: http://www.TheEmpathyDilemma.com 

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Connect with Maria: 

Get the podcast and book: TheEmpathyEdge.com

Learn more about Maria and her work: Red-Slice.com

Hire Maria to speak at your next event: Red-Slice.com/Speaker-Maria-Ross

Take my LinkedIn Learning Course! Leading with Empathy

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US Surgeon General Vivek Murthy has called out an epidemic of loneliness and highlighted how workplaces are one way to help. How can people get their needs for connection and recognition met in appropriate ways at work? And how does this impact the overall performance of the organization?

I dug into these questions and more with Logan Mallory. Today, we talked about why he is so passionate about this work and how his empathy for his customers comes from being a customer himself at one time! We discussed why employers and employees are having so much conflict right now, what leaders can do to improve the employee experience, and simple ways to create an above-and-beyond culture. We talked about how your company can create a Gratitude Flywheel and got real about the short shelf life of “surface perks,” why a more consistent culture is required, especially in dispersed or hybrid environments, and why a workplace can help support community and connection to keep us mentally healthy.

 

To access the episode transcript, please click on the episode title at http://www.TheEmpathyEdge.com 

Key Takeaways:

• Communication and transparency are two of the pillars to understanding one another’s perspectives. Without that clarity in understanding, there cannot be effective empathy.
• People want to be recognized and they want to recognize their peers. According to a Motivosity survey, 75% of people said that their mental health would improve if they were recognized at work more often.
• The higher you are in your organization, the less you know about what’s going with your teams and customers creating an iceberg of influence. This is the same for the good and the bad. Put systems in place to help bridge this gap. 
• Good culture is different for everyone. What leadership in a company needs to do, with input from their team, they need to decide what those values are going to be. When you state who you want to be, that is empathetic for your employees and new recruits. 

 

“We have people that are burnt out, people that are disengaged, you have a mental health crisis in the US. And maybe one of the easiest things employers can do is empower their people to say Thank You more often.” —  Logan Mallory

Episode References: 

• The Empathy Edge podcast episodes:
• Rebecca Friese: How To Build A “Good” Culture
• Shasta Nelson: Why Successful Leaders Encourage Work Friendships
• Claude Silver: Leading with Heart at Vayner Media
• Motivosity survey infographic, showing how gratitude leads to better mental health at work.
• The Happiness Advantage by Shawn Achor

About Logan Mallory, VP Marketing, Motivosity

Logan Mallory is the Vice President of Marketing at the leading employee recognition software, Motivosity. Mallory is a public speaker, adjunct professor, and thought leader on culture and leadership in the workplace to achieve employee retention. Motivosity helps companies create winning cultures by focusing on gratitude and connection at work. Mallory’s wife, four kids and poodle are all his favorites.

Connect with Logan Mallory:

Motivosity: motivosity.com 

X: twitter.com/LoganMMallory 

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/loganmallory 

Facebook: facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009422255617 

Instagram: instagram.com/motivosity

Join the tribe, download your free guide! Discover what empathy can do for you: http://red-slice.com/business-benefits-empathy

 

Connect with Maria: 

Get the podcast and book: TheEmpathyEdge.com

Learn more about Maria and her work: Red-Slice.com

Hire Maria to speak at your next event: Red-Slice.com/Speaker-Maria-Ross

Take my LinkedIn Learning Course! Leading with Empathy

LinkedIn: Maria Ross

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Could YOU or YOUR company survive if you had to live and work with your customers and coworkers? Hearing every bit of praise, every complaint, and every…everything? That’s what life is like for the cruise industry, where crew and customers live together for weeks in the middle of the ocean. And it’s why my guest today, Paul Rutter,  helps land-based companies apply the lessons he’s learned from the cruise ship industry to create exceptional customer experiences.

Today, we talk about what he learned about both customer experience and culture from working in the cruise industry, and how to ensure your employees are supported so they can show up with the right attitude and deliver great customer care. We discuss what to look for in hiring, how to empower employees to solve problems right away, why gossip is a culture killer, the importance of top execs getting in the trenches, and the link between empathy, innovation, and risk-taking.  Paul even shares how to deal with extreme customer disappointments – like weddings canceled due to hurricanes – and how empathy helps turn those experiences into lifetime customer value, loyalty, and referrals.

 

To access the episode transcript, please click on the episode title at http://www.TheEmpathyEdge.com 

Key Takeaways:

• Hire for attitude. Skills can be trained (and training is so, so important and should be done regularly), but without the right attitude having the right skills won’t matter. 
• Learn about and celebrate the differences of those onboard your team. You need to take care of your employees and they will take care of your customers. You want your employees to be your raving brand ambassadors. 
• If you’re in the C-Suite, take time to work how your lower-level employees work each day. It is important for the employees to see and for the executives to know what your employees are dealing with every day. 

 

“We have one goal on board a ship. That’s it. And it should be the goal of all of your listeners as well: Create such an exceptional experience that exceeds expectations that they will come back because they’ve had such a great experience.” —  Paul Rutter

About Paul Rutter, Chief Experience Officer:

After three decades as a global cruise director who lived with his team and clients, speaker, trainer, and author Paul Rutter knows that “perfect” is just a starting point. He knows that with today’s abundance of options for customers, every single experience they have is critical to running a successful business. Paul helps companies around the world set a standard for unmatched customer service.

Recognized by USA Today, ABC, NBC, MarketWatch, and FOX, Paul Rutter is a customer experience expert, speaker, bestselling author, and founder of the More Than Perfect service model.  Paul is the author of the bestseller You Can’t Make This Ship Up, a hilarious look at the lessons he’s learned at sea and now applies to land-based businesses.  He is also the creator of the strategic guide, Repeat Business Inc: The Business of Staying in Business.

Connect with Paul Rutter:

Smooth Sailing Communication, Inc: PaulRutterSpeaks.com 

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/parutter 

Instagram: Instagram.com/PaulRutterSpeaks 

Book: You Can’t Make This Ship Up; Business Strategies, Life Lessons and True Stories From 40 Years at Sea

Join the tribe, download your free guide! Discover what empathy can do for you: http://red-slice.com/business-benefits-empathy

 

Connect with Maria: 

Get the podcast and book: TheEmpathyEdge.com

Learn more about Maria and her work: Red-Slice.com

Hire Maria to speak at your next event: Red-Slice.com/Speaker-Maria-Ross

Take my LinkedIn Learning Course! Leading with Empathy

LinkedIn: Maria Ross

Instagram: @redslicemaria

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Marketing often relies on a lot of “tricks” to reach people in this noisy world. But we have an opportunity to be more intentional and responsible in our marketing  – and when we do, that leads to increased customer engagement, loyalty, and yes, profit.

Today, I talk with Kat Kennan about trauma-informed marketing and how we can rethink the way we promote our offerings. We talk about what trauma-informed marketing means, why brands need to pay attention, how to avoid cancel culture, and how to rethink old marketing models and get away from fear-based messaging. We discuss how trauma can show up for your customers, where you can take a pause and adapt, and some great tips on easy ways to start infusing more empathy into your marketing to boost your customer’s perception of your brand. 

 

To access the episode transcript, please click on the episode title at http://www.TheEmpathyEdge.com 

Key Takeaways:

• Fear-based marketing techniques are going to continue to get diminishing returns. As businesses, we need to move beyond personas and really connect with our customers. 
• Over 70% of people have experienced at least one major traumatic event in their lives. In thinking about the pandemic, we are now looking at 100%. 
• Empathy is a bottom-line issue. 97% of customers say that empathy is important to their customer loyalty.
•  You need to have a pretty nimble and agile group of decision-makers that can adapt and adjust campaigns on the fly based on real-time events.

 

“It’s encouraging marketers to just take a pause before they send something out to think about how it might feel or how it might read.” —  Kat Kennan

 

Episode References: 

• The Cancel Culture Checklist: Go to Kat’s website radicalcustomerexperience.com & use code MARIA30 to enjoy 30% off the 1st 3 months. Check the website for all details.
• The Empathy Edge episodes:
• Charna Cassel: Recognizing Trauma at Work – Yours and Others
• Melina Palmer: Why Your Customers Can’t Tell You What They Want
• Brigette Iarusso Disrupting Toxic Business Models in the Online Space
• Lindsay LaShell: A Marketing Activist Blends Purpose & Profit
• Uncommon Goods
• Oreo’s responsive Super Bowl campaign

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About Kat Kennan:

Kat Kennan is the Founder and CEO of Radical Customer Experience, a groundbreaking consulting firm that encourages brands to establish genuine connections with their customers by embracing strengths-based, trauma-informed, and inclusive marketing services. With a passion for empowering individuals and driving positive change, her mission is to help brands speak up, speak out, and foster diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging in their customer interactions. As a certified trauma-informed professional, Kat brings a crucial perspective to her work, infusing every aspect of her business ventures with a deep understanding of the human experience.

Kat’s unwavering commitment to creating a more inclusive and empathic world have earned her recognition and respect within the marketing and trauma-informed community. She is leading the charge in revolutionizing the way businesses interact with their customers, leaving a profound impact on the industry and society as a whole.

Connect with Kat:

Radical Customer Experience: radicalcustomerexperience.com 

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/katkennan 

Facebook: facebook.com/rcxconsulting 

Instagram: instagram.com/katkennan 

Join the tribe, download your free guide! Discover what empathy can do for you: red-slice.com/business-benefits-empathy

 

Connect with Maria: 

Get the podcast and book: TheEmpathyEdge.com

Learn more about Maria and her work: Red-Slice.com

Hire Maria to speak at your next event: Red-Slice.com/Speaker-Maria-Ross

Take my LinkedIn Learning Course! Leading with Empathy

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My guest today, Charles Gellman, is the CEO & Co-founder of HiDO Health and he has leveraged empathy from his own health experiences into AI-assisted robotics that will alter the future of medicine and healthcare. Charles is an outgoing data scientist with a Masters in Clinical Informatics, an accomplished speaker, and one of the top voices on AI-assisted robotics, digital health, and the impact on care.

Today, he shares his personal story and shocking statistics on the big and costly problem of inaccurate home health care. We discuss how AI-assisted robotics can impact emotional well-being and why empathy is not going away because of all this new technology. We even take a detour and talk about how to ensure that leaders who succeed passionate founders possess the same empathy for customers and commitment to purpose. Finally, we discuss the importance of empathy to understand both providers and patients and help them alter behaviors to improve health outcomes.

 

To access the episode transcript, please click on the episode title at http://www.TheEmpathyEdge.com 

Key Takeaways:

• When selecting a successor as a leader, you want to make sure they are aligned with the vision and mission, not just capable of running the business side of things. 
• Providers struggle to get care to everyone. Patients struggle to communicate their needs. AI can help to bridge that gap and allow for better communication. 
• Around $300B is wasted each year on medications not being taken as prescribed. HiDO is using AI to help reduce that and make life easier for patients, caregivers, and physicians. 

 

“One out of four patients in the US have chronic care diseases. More than 10% of the population have some type of caregiver responsibilities. We have a health care system, where we are solely dependent on people at home to care for themselves. How is that working out for us?” —  Charles Gellman

 

Episode References: 

• AARP, Caregiving in the United States 2020
• PubMed, National trends in prescription drug expenditures and projections for 2023
• The Empathy Edge podcast, Ron Gura: How Technology Helps People Navigate Grief and Loss

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About Charles Gellman, CEO, HiDO Health:

Charles Gellman, MSHI is the CEO & Co-founder of HiDO Health, where AI-assisted robotics will alter the future of medicine and healthcare. An outgoing data scientist with a Masters in Clinical Informatics, he is also an accomplished speaker with 100+ podcast interviews scheduled for 2023 from notable university professors, leading researchers, and forward-thinking podcast hosts. NIH-funded research in collaboration with Stanford and Rush Universities. He is one of the top voices on AI-assisted robotics, digital health, and its impact on care.

Charles was recently featured in a full feature documentary, “AI Robotics… The HiDO Story.” He publishes his analyses regularly in the newsletter, “The Future of Care.”

He is a former advisor for StartXMed and has worked in various executive roles at Startups as well as Fortune 500 companies. He received an MSHI degree from University of California at Davis, Medical School.

Connect with Charles Gellman:  

HiDO Health: https://www.hidohealth.com 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mshicgellman/ 

HiDO Summary Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljnFImTNpwg 

Join the tribe, download your free guide! Discover what empathy can do for you: http://red-slice.com/business-benefits-empathy

 

Connect with Maria: 

Get the podcast and book: TheEmpathyEdge.com

Learn more about Maria and her work: Red-Slice.com

Hire Maria to speak at your next event: Red-Slice.com/Speaker-Maria-Ross

Take my LinkedIn Learning Course! Leading with Empathy

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I’ve often said that many entrepreneurs get their business ideas from practicing empathy. From either experiencing a pain point themselves or wanting to solve a pain or provide a benefit to an audience who needs it. Today, we talk to one such start-up entrepreneur, Shizu Okusa, the Founder and CEO of wellness company Apothékary.

Today, Shizu shares her entrepreneurial journey from Wall Street to wellness, and how many of  her leadership and product philosophies are inspired by her Japanese heritage. We discuss why self-awareness is key for founders to be successful for the long haul and specific examples of how Apothékary creates an empathetic culture devoted to her employees’ and customers’ well-being. We discuss the number one reason many leaders can’t embrace empathy – to their own detriment. And Shizu shares how they gather customer feedback as well as how they make remote work more personal and collaborative. Finally, Shizu offers her advice to other leaders and entrepreneurs looking to lead with empathy. 

 

To access the episode transcript, please click on the episode title at http://www.TheEmpathyEdge.com 

Key Takeaways:

• Self-awareness is key to being an effective leader. You can’t have the space in your brain for empathy, creativity, and listening if you don’t know where you are at. 
• Rather than having a maximum number of vacation days, consider setting a minimum number of vacation days to support your team and encourage them to take care of themselves. 
• Empathy is consumer psychology in the business world. It is sometimes seen as a soft skill, but compassion and business success are not mutually exclusive.
• Surveys are a great way to gather information from your customers, but if you don’t take action on that data, that data is wasted. 

 

“The CEO’s job is to provide the healthy oxygen for your team to breathe in.” —  Shizu Okusa

Episode References: 

• The Ranch, Malibu, California

The Empathy Edge podcast episodes referenced:

• Melina Palmer: Why Your Customers Can’t Tell You What They Want
• Carrie Melissa Jones: Building Successful Communities
• Emily Vernon: Are You Gathering the Right Customer Insights?
• Aransas Savas: Forget Journey Mapping: Define a More Valuable Customer Experience
• Sandy Thompson: How to Make People Fall in Love with Your Brand

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About Shizu Okusa, Founder and CEO, Apothékary

Shizu Okusa is a Wall Street alum-turned-wellness entrepreneur. After leaving an intense finance career, she became inspired to live a more balanced lifestyle and revisit her Japanese roots and passion for herbal medicine. Shizu set out to help others regain their holistic health using traditions she grew up with and ones she learned along the way. Now, she proudly leads Apothékary in its mission to deliver natural herbal remedies that get to the root cause of health issues rather than masking the symptoms.

Connect with Shizu Okusa:  

Apothékary: https://www.apothekary.co/ 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shizu-okusa-87a25415 

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/apothekaryco/ 

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/apothekaryco/ 

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUlZ43PITt9RsTJNZX1F6JQ 

Join the tribe, download your free guide! Discover what empathy can do for you: http://red-slice.com/business-benefits-empathy

 

Connect with Maria: 

Get the podcast and book: TheEmpathyEdge.com

Learn more about Maria and her work: Red-Slice.com

Hire Maria to speak at your next event: Red-Slice.com/Speaker-Maria-Ross

Take my LinkedIn Learning Course! Leading with Empathy

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Burnout is one of our biggest workplace challenges. Turnover and lost productivity due to burnout cost businesses $322B globally. Voluntary turnover costs 15+% of a company’s payroll annually. Most employees will seek out workplaces that support mental health in the future, showing the importance of these benefits in employee retention.

Today, I chat with Amy J. Wilson. We talk about how burnout is the biggest obstacle blocking us from empathy, what burnout is and its symptoms, where it comes from, and how it is especially a challenge in traditional care professions but can impact any of us in any organization. We discuss the difference between compassion fatigue and empathic distress. Amy also shares the Four Rs framework for healing from and preventing burnout.

 

To access the episode transcript, please click on the episode title at http://www.TheEmpathyEdge.com 

Key Takeaways:

• Burnout is preventing people from feeling empathy. It applies blinders that keep people from connecting with those around them. 
• Modeling is more effective than telling. You can model empathic behavior even in the face of adversity. 
• Curiosity is the first step in empathy. Burnout stops us from making that connection with someone else’s and their story.

 

“People think of burnout as a mental health condition, but it isn’t defined as a mental health condition as currently in the DSM. I think it has an origin in our own personal abilities and conditioned responses,  but at the same time, it is a product of the system around us that often prioritizes profit over people.” —  Amy J. Wilson

 

Episode References: 

• The Empathy Edge: 
• Amy J. Wilson: Leadership’s Larger Duty And Avoiding Empathy Deficit Disorder
• Jamie Greenwood: Why Empathy for Others Starts with Compassion for Yourself
• Articles on empathic distress:
• Rob Volpe: “Which Is It? Empathic Distress or Compassion Fatigue?”
• Adam Grant: “That Numbness You’re Feeling? There’s a Word for It“
• Amy J. Wilson: “What Makes Us Human”

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About Amy J Wilson, Founder and Guide, Healing for Work

Amy J. Wilson believes in the power within each of us to shape the future we want to have—a future with more awareness, compassion, connection, and love. They specialize in building and sustaining compassionate cultures that can hold change so that individuals and the organization can thrive. They have challenged the status quo and redesigned systems centered on empathy and equity in action at more than a dozen organizations with thousands of people within the private and public sectors. Amy is the bestselling author of Empathy for Change: How to Build a More Understanding World with language and frameworks to evolve individuals and organizations to meet the realities of today and reimagine a better way forward.

Amy founded Healing for Work, a community and program rooted in scientifically-proven ways for individuals to overcome burnout and improve workplace well-being. Through the Empathy Action Lab, they work with ambitious, purpose-driven organizations or entrepreneurs to design communities & movements with more empathy, to tell powerful stories, and to advance collective action.

Connect with Amy J. Wilson:  

Empathy for Change | Healing for Work: healingforwork.com 

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/healing-for-work 

Instagram: instagram.com/healingforwork/ 

Learn more about Amy’s FREE Burnout Support Sessions at: healingforwork.com/join 

Join the tribe, download your free guide! Discover what empathy can do for you: red-slice.com/business-benefits-empathy

 

Connect with Maria: 

Get the podcast and book: TheEmpathyEdge.com

Learn more about Maria and her work: Red-Slice.com

Hire Maria to speak at your next event: Red-Slice.com/Speaker-Maria-Ross

Take my LinkedIn Learning Course! Leading with Empathy

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We are experiencing a transformation, an evolution in how we lead and what makes a successful leader. Today, I had a great conversation with Alain Hunkins, CEO and author of Cracking The Leadership Code: Three Secrets to Building Strong Leaders about the common leadership assumptions that can get people into trouble, the obstacles we face in how to connect, the three secrets of strong leaders, and how we can communicate better. He shares the story of how one leader went from being ranked at the bottom to achieving outstanding results by focusing on people first before the numbers and the work.

Alain and I discuss what gets in the way of empathy, the role transparency plays in killing the old leadership paradigm, how employees got to the point that they have such low confidence in their leaders – and what we can do to reverse that – and he’ll also share a great trick to ensure you are communicating effectively. 

 

To access the episode transcript, please click on the episode title at http://www.TheEmpathyEdge.com 

Key Takeaways:

• Studies show we judge ourselves by our intentions, but others by their actions. 
• The old model of command and control leadership is a dying paradigm. Leadership must evolve – all leaders are now living in a glass house with the technology available. We no longer live in a world of information asymmetry. 
• Numbers are neat and tidy, people are not. To lead people, you have to make the time to connect with your team empathetically not just look at the business numbers.
• Ask for a receipt in your communication. It doesn’t take much time, but it does increase understanding and clarity.

 

“All leadership development is personal development, and all personal development is leadership development. Whether or not you have the job title, we all lead every single day.” —  Alain Hunkins

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About Alain Hunkins, CEO and Author, Cracking the Leadership Code

Alain Hunkins helps leaders, teams, and companies achieve performance goals easier.     

Over his twenty-five-year career, Alain has worked with over 3,000 groups of leaders in 27 countries, including 42 of the Fortune 100 companies. In addition to being an executive coach, leadership and team development facilitator and keynote speaker, Alain is the author of the book Cracking The Leadership Code: Three Secrets to Building Strong Leaders.

Alain is a faculty member of Duke Corporate Education and serves on the Academic Board of Advisors for the New Delhi Institute of Management. Alain’s work has been featured in Chief Executive, Fast Company, Inc., Training Magazine, Chief Learning Officer, and Business Insider. He’s also a monthly leadership strategy contributor to Forbes Magazine.  Alain was recently named #33 on the Global Power list of the Top 200 Biggest Voices in Leadership for 2023 by LeadersHum.  A father of two teenagers, he lives in Northampton, Massachusetts.

Connect with Alain Hunkins

Hunkins Leadership Group: https://alainhunkins.com/ 

LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/alainhunkins/ 

Join the 30-Day Leadership Challenge! https://alainhunkins.com/30-day-leadership-challenge/ 

Join the tribe, download your free guide! Discover what empathy can do for you: http://red-slice.com/business-benefits-empathy

 

Connect with Maria: 

Get the podcast and book: TheEmpathyEdge.com

Learn more about Maria and her work: Red-Slice.com

Hire Maria to speak at your next event: Red-Slice.com/Speaker-Maria-Ross

Take my LinkedIn Learning Course! Leading with Empathy

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Empathy is a superpower, yes, but what about those people you just truly believe are unbearable to work or talk with? I know someone is coming to mind for you. And how much more complicated does it get when you work for that someone, or they work for you?

Today, I am delighted to share my conversation with leadership coach, speaker, and best-selling author Michael Bungay Stanier. Michael and I talked about the difference between leadership and coaching and the role empathy and curiosity play in those skills, why so many leaders misunderstand what coaching means, why rescuers create victims and the importance of learning how to listen. He shares the key to having Keystone Conversations to create a better working relationship. And he shares five questions that will help you build the best possible relationship with almost anyone – and why he says “almost!” Plus, we had a love fest for our mutual publisher, Page Two. Michael is a legend and as kind and generous as they come. Take a listen.

 

To access the episode transcript, please click on the episode title at http://www.TheEmpathyEdge.com 

Key Takeaways:

• There are six different leadership styles, and the greatest leaders know how to utilize each of them at the appropriate times. 
• If you’re a leader, your job is to help figure out what the right stuff is to work on, and then help get the best people to do their best work working on the stuff that matters.
• Rescuer behavior appears to be empathetic and kind, but it’s actually being nosy and it hurts more than it help others in adult-to-adult relationships. 
• You are doing the work of leading when you’re doing the work of self-care and self-reflection.

 

“I do believe…that every working relationship can be better. If you could make all of them 10-15% better, that would make a difference, because not just your success at work, but your happiness at work is dependent on the quality of your working relationships.” —  Michael Bungay Stanier

Episode References: 

• The Empathy Edge podcast: Shasta Nelson: Why Successful Leaders Encourage Work Friendships
• Accountability and Empathy (Are Not Mutually Exclusive) by Ed Batista
• Page Two Publishing

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About Michael Bungay Stanier:

Michael Bungay Stanier is best known for The Coaching Habit, the best-selling coaching book of the century and recognized as a classic. His most recent book, How to Work with (Almost) Anyone, shows how to build the Best Possible Relationship with the key people at work. Michael was a Rhodes Scholar, and was recently awarded the coaching prize by Thinkers50, “the Oscars of Management.”

Connect with Michael Bungay Stanier:  

MBS.works: https://www.mbs.works/ 

X: https://www.twitter.com/mbs_works 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbungaystanier 

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mbs_works-113849977032317 

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mbs_works 

Book: How to Work with (Almost) Anyone: Five Questions for Building the Best Possible Relationships

Check out a FREE Video example of Michael’s Keystone Conversation at: https://bestpossiblerelationship.com/ 

Join the tribe, download your free guide! Discover what empathy can do for you: http://red-slice.com/business-benefits-empathy

 

Connect with Maria: 

Get the podcast and book: TheEmpathyEdge.com

Learn more about Maria and her work: Red-Slice.com

Hire Maria to speak at your next event: Red-Slice.com/Speaker-Maria-Ross

Take my LinkedIn Learning Course! Leading with Empathy

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Resilience might be eligible for word of the year. You hear it everywhere you go. We talked a lot about resilience during the Pandemic. How do we bounce back and adapt?

One definition of resilience is “The capacity to withstand or to recover quickly from difficulties; toughness.”

Clearly, we need to embrace resilience as human beings. In a chaotic, unpredictable world where the only constant is change, you might drive yourself mad if you cannot adapt.

But more importantly, how is the skill of resilience strengthened, taught, or learned?

Today I share two examples from my childhood on how I learned resilience that I hope will not only enlighten you, but entertain you. (HINT: One involves my theater geek high school days!)

 

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Key Takeaways:

• Practice having a growth mindset – it is not about being externally praised, it is about your innate desire to practice and improve and look at what can be tweaked to change the outcome on your next attempt. 
• Learn from those losses in your life. You can process the grief of losing but still embrace the opportunities in front of you. 
• Try anyway! Even if you don’t have all of the boxes checked for whatever you’re aiming to do, try anyway, you may surprise yourself with what you do accomplish. 

 

I learned from moments like that to process my grief over what I’d lost, but embrace what was in front of me – and make it my own. —  Maria Ross

 

Episode References: 

• Dinah Manoff from Grease: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001503/ 
• Growth Mindset: https://hbr.org/2016/01/what-having-a-growth-mindset-actually-means
• #Hypewomen: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hype-women/id1704488532
• Greater Good, Five Science-Backed Strategies to Build Resilience: https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/five_science_backed_strategies_to_build_resilience 

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